shaina deathray-von schlieffen ([info]tess_la_coil) wrote in [info]knitting,
2007-10-26 22:30:00
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Bayerische Socks...Cables WITH a Cable Needle!

I want to knit my Bayerische socks WITH a cable needle - at least the 7 stitch ribbed crosses, because I am not yet ready to cable them without a cable needle. But Eunny doesn't give instructions for cables with a cable needle and I cannot seem to decipher her charts. I have been sitting here trying to wrap my brain around it but just can't figure it out, and all of my cable books + the internets provide no answers.

I can figure out the rest of the charts, but please, can you translate the left & right leaning 7 stitch ribbed crosses into cable needle directions for me? They're charts A and C on this page. Thank you so much.

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[info]tephralynn

October 27 2007, 05:03:10 UTC 4 years ago

Right-leaning 7-stitch ribbed cross - slip 4 stitches to the cable needle, hold in back, knit the next 3 stitches in pattern (k1tbl, p1, k1tbl), then the four off the cable needle (p1, k1tbl, p1, k1tbl).

Left-leaning 7-stitch ribbed cross - slip 3 stitches to the cable needle, hold in front, knit the next 4 stitches in pattern (k1tbl, p1,k1tbl, p1) and then the 3 off the cable needle (k1tbl, p1, k1tbl).

You may want to get confirmation from someone that has actually knitted the pattern, but I think that's right. If you look at the chart symbols they make sense.

[info]tess_la_coil

October 27 2007, 05:59:48 UTC 4 years ago

That's exactly what I was thinking, but here's what I don't understand: Say, for the right cross: The first 4 stitches I slip are k p k p..So then I knit the next 3 stitches: k p k, then the stiches on the needle: that makes it k p k k p k p, which is not the rib pattern. It looks right on the chart, but not on the needles.

Does that sound crazy? I am making things up in my head?

[info]tephralynn

October 27 2007, 06:38:34 UTC 4 years ago

Hmm. I think I get it, the set that is crossing behind gets switched, knits for purls and purls for knits. The overall pattern is maintained from the previous row but for the back crossing stitches it inverts where it's hidden.

Hopefully a sock knitter with experience with the pattern will show up and confirm things.

[info]tess_la_coil

October 27 2007, 20:29:57 UTC 4 years ago

Thank you [info]tephralynn!

[info]broken_biscuits

October 27 2007, 11:19:56 UTC 4 years ago

I'm on my second pair of these. Your cable needle stitches do become switched, knits for purls and vice versa. I managed to make it blindly through my first pair without really thinking about it, then got a little confused when I took a closer look this time around. The crossing makes it pretty invisible. So, yeah, cable translation sounds about right; just follow the rib pattern! :)

[info]tess_la_coil

October 27 2007, 20:29:18 UTC 4 years ago

Hmmmmmm! What a strange little twist of a cable. Thank you for the help!

[info]melyanna

October 27 2007, 13:55:15 UTC 4 years ago

When I did this, I did something funky with that center stitch that may be hard to explain. For the cable where you hold all the stitches to the back, I slipped off the first four stitches and worked the next three. Then I pulled the last stitch off the cable hook (the center purl stitch) and worked it. Then I worked the remaining three stitches.

The other cable was more difficult. I kind of had to hold my cable hook on both the front and back, if that makes sense. I slipped off the four stitches with the cable hook not pulled through to the front or back. Then I worked the next three stitches and moved that center purl stitch off the cable hook and worked it as before. I brought the cable hook forward entirely and worked the three stitches still on it.

And then when I was done with the round, I was very grateful that I only had to do it once every eight rounds.

[info]mettle_metal

October 27 2007, 15:53:20 UTC 4 years ago

Funny, so many of us try to translate directions intended for a cable needle to cabling without a cable needle, I've never done it backwards!

As someone who's cabled both ways, I don't blame you for wanting to do the 7-stitch ones the old-fashioned way, that's a lot of stitches to pinch. Basically, any time it says to slip stitches to the right hand needle, just go ahead and slip them to your cable needle. Bear in mind that with those two particular crosses, since you then use your left-hand needle to slip off stitches from the back and front (respectively) of the righthand/cable needle, that means your cable needle will be held in front and back (respectively). Then you'll slip your remaining stitches from the cable needle back to the left needle, and then slip the unworked stitckes on the right needle to the left needle, and work as directed.

Does that make sense?

[info]fyrdrakken

October 29 2007, 18:13:37 UTC 4 years ago

I'm finishing up my first pair of Bayerische this week. Agreed that the A and C chart crosses are the only places you really need a cable needle -- and that it works by slipping either 4 stitches across the back or 3 stitches across the front and then swapping knits for purls and purls for knits on the 4 stitches that wind up hidden on the back.

Also be watching out for the twists that happen in a few places on the D charts where a knit gets swapped for a purl stitch.
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